Friends on the PretCosmos list: I have spoken to Gary before on this matter, by telephone, thought not in the past year, and asked him directly. I will NOT...
I think you have overreacted just a tad. I certainly would not set up some sort of preterist orthodoxy and brand anyone who doesn't hold my position or...
Gary - I do think you raise a good point. When many of us were yet futurists, we were wont to stigmatize the out-of-step. Then, when we became...
Dale Dykes
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May 1, 2003 5:30 pm
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Hi group, I'm having a bit of trouble understanding the partial Preterist position. I understand the acceptance of most of the prophecies being fulfilled in 70...
I know you solicited input from partials, so take my response for whatever it's worth since I am quite full/consistent. The main reason that partials cannot...
Brandon Thompson
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May 6, 2003 9:14 pm
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Julie and Brandon, (this is primarily a response to Brandon) The term resurrection presupposes death. Only the dead can experience resurrection. Jesus...
Lloyd
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May 7, 2003 4:42 am
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Lloyd, Brandon, Thanks for the response. I also heard from another brother privately. I guess ultimately I am looking for scriptual answers as to why Partials...
The partial preterists I have talked to give two broad explanations for not accepting "full"preterism. One is the resurrection issue. I would refer you to R....
Julie, From sermons I have heard from partial preterists, they main basis of their belief that the resurrection has not taken place is from both Matthew 24:36 ...
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May 7, 2003 12:08 pm
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Dorothy: Thank you for providing an objective and irenic answer to Julie's question. Even though one may not agree with PP's, they should be spoken of...
LD, I certainly agree with where you are coming from, so at this point it may just be a semantic argument. :) Here, in the New Covenent, post AD70, we undergo...
Brandon Thompson
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May 7, 2003 2:02 pm
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[FROM ED STEVENS] Brandon, it sounds like you are saying that there are no other meanings to the term "resurrection" than the one you have given here. Is that...
Brandon, You piqued my curiosity. You write, "Here, in the New Covenent, post AD70, we undergo the same "twinkling of an eye" change that Paul was awaiting at...
Lloyd
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May 7, 2003 8:35 pm
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After several months in the works, a new lecture series is available at SamuelFrost.com An exhaustive commentary on The Gospel Of Mark, this set includes 16 ...
To all who have responded. I have been going over and over the scriptures and I don't see how they can be split up. I have to believe it all happened...
Julie, In your understanding, what exactly is the Parousia? LD ... From: "julieinnapa" <julesinnapa@...> To: <PretCosmos@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday,...
Lloyd
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May 8, 2003 2:38 pm
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Well Lloyd, Before Jan. 17 2003, I had never heard of the Parousia. I had not heard of Preterism. I knew nothing. I thought I was the only one, who questioned...
LOL!.....sometimes I forget with whom I am dealing. I'll be sure to explain more fully without any silence on any part of the issue since we all know how many...
Brandon Thompson
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May 8, 2003 6:09 pm
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Julie, No, I am not going to tell you that you missed the point. Your statement: "Ulitmately, the demolishing of the old covenant, and the establishment of ...
Lloyd
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May 8, 2003 8:35 pm
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... really? lloyd, can you please expound on this idea? jason...
Lloyd, Can you please clarify what you mean that the Parousia and second coming were two separate events? I find that statement very interesting. Are you...
Jason and Anthony, Yes, I can clarify. First of all let me state my eschatoloy as well as all my theology is covenantal. I trust the LORD to keep it...
Lloyd
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May 8, 2003 9:49 pm
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Interesting. I've never heard that interpretation. To my understanding, this is not the widely held interpretation of preterists. Am I correct? ... From:...
lloyd i must say you made a better case than i thought you'd be able to ;) having said that, i still do not think the scriptures back up your belief of the ...
Anthony, You are correct. Can you remember the last time that the majority was right? What I have outlined is not only interesting it is true. Lloyd ... ...
Lloyd
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May 8, 2003 10:28 pm
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Jason, I did not "seperate them" I put them in their proper perspective in relationship to each other. "Parousia" in 2Peter 3:12 refers to Christ's Presence in...
Lloyd
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May 8, 2003 10:42 pm
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lloyd you stated, "The English translators notwithstanding, the Greek word parousia means "presence" it does not mean coming, and it should not be translated...
Jason, I did not "separate them," I placed them in their proper perspective in relationship to each other. 2Peter 3:12 should read the "presence of the day of...
Lloyd
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May 8, 2003 11:06 pm
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Jason, the definition of parousia is presence as both Vine's andStrong clearly state. The other comments they make are based on the way the word was ...
Lloyd
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May 9, 2003 12:06 am
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... If this is the resurrection condition, then what does that imply about believers pre A.D. 70? Were they not born again? What changed in believers at A.D....
