Hey all, hope the holiday season has been going well. We usually slow down in here quite a bit at this time of year, but there is a subject that I would like...
Im a bit confused as to the origens of gnosticism, and its "heresy", so im interested on anyones input. The Orthodox Church has always claimed to believe in...
... its "heresy", ... Hi, elmoreb. Your query in the last paragraph about the roots of Gnosticism seems directly related to the first of PMCV's issues ... ...
... in ... Could you suggest some reading in addition to the NH? I can find loads of Valentinian stuff, but I want a clearer grasp of Sethianism if I'm going...
Hello lady_caritas ... I think this quote really sums up what happened, it is excellant. ... I tend to agree with you. I might add, that on its face,...
Hi Cari, elmoreb, everyone, ... what ... on "Sethian ... an ... increasingly ... orthodox ... into ... surviving ... Yes! thank you, Cari, for reposting this...
... that ... Hi, Betty. It's so good to see you. Thank you for your very thoughtful post. Speaking of food, I'm slowly digesting your wonderful analysis in...
Hey Betty, well I guess I need to get over and read Turner's pages too. I know he has some books on the subject of the specific relationship between Platonism...
... times, ... first ... a ... suprise. ... period ... pricipally ... sense ... mentioned. ... adoption ... a ... the ... Betty, you speak of the "idea" of...
... Hi, PMCV. Turner also does mention (near the end of III. Chronology and Redaction, A. Before 100 C.E.) earliest Sethian compositions that were written by...
Hello lady_caritas ... We should remember that the late NeoPlatonists like Proclus were very theurgic, if not plain magical in their emphasis. Regards -- Mike...
... attaining ... very ... Yes, Mike, and I don't know if Jung felt the same dislike for Proclus as he did toward other Neoplatonists. Proclus was still the ...
... some ... Chronology ... and ... this ... Oh, yes, Mike. I checked back to a previous post of mine (#10379) in which I quoted from the preface of Turner's...
Hello lady_caritas ... I seem to remember Iamblicus On the Mysteries, which was very theurgic too. I don't have ready access to my library (long story) or I...
... emphasis ... the ... contemplation ... theurgic ... would ... You must have some amazing library, Mike. Anyway, I was able to find this online: ...
Hello lady_caritas ... This appears to be the work in question. The style makes it a bit hard to read, I'm afraid. Regards -- Mike Leavitt ac998@......
In my memory I seem to recall that Pearson pushes back even farther, a little into the second century B.C.. To be honest though, I can't recall what evidence...
Hey Mike... ... Sethians were not."<<< Perhaps, but what about the synagogue? Also, I am not so sure that the Christinized "Sethian" tracts were not originally...
I used to follow the original group a while ago...became very disillusioned with some of the people and left...as we all know, once gnosis has been uncovered...
hi Annie Marie truly, I believe they are only available within one's self, just as the Truth is--and God. the outer sacraments are ritual only, and being...
... It's good to read your heady insights again. When I think about Seth and Sethian Gnosticism I think of just a derivation on Christian Gnosticism....Seth...
Hmm, well, of course not all Gnostics of old practiced all these rites. Since this was essentially a Valentinian outline you offered (one that does still...
Hey Annie Well, in one way I agree with you. However, I am not so sure I would say "ritual only" as if the very word somehow implies the worthless nature of...
Here is the Biblical paraphrase of the Mandaean rite, or apart of it. I couldn't post it one peice, but I will send the whole thing on an attachment. This was...
In a message dated 12/20/2004 11:55:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, no_reply@yahoogroups.com writes: Hey Annie Well, in one way I agree with you. However, I am...
